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Dustin, you have a bad habit of citing unseen authorities without actually giving specifics or evidence. You say your referee friend saw pushing by Montero, when did this contact happened? Watching the replay from the game, Montero has some normal 50/50 jostling with one of the Houston defenders as the corner comes in, and then when the ball goes out, Onstad snaps and body checks Fredy. If that’s the contact your source is talking about, that’s extremely weak. And even if the refs want to say that Fredy committed a foul in that sequence, that still doesn’t excuse Onstad deliberately and aggressively knocking Fredy down. Also, if what Fredy did was worthy of a yellow, then the Sounders were due a penalty on the earlier corner where Onstad goes out of his way to shove Fredy in the back of the head.
At no point have you made a case for why the decision on the field was correct. You’ve said that you don’t consider Onstad’s behavior violent conduct; what are your criteria for that judgment? You’ve cited an anonymous source saying that Montero did some pushing and that therefore justified Onstad’s response. What Law of the Game are you using for support of this theory of justified retaliation? In what situations is it acceptable to knock down a player after a play? You come and post comments on this blog claiming experience and knowledge as a ref. As such you should be able to lay out the reasoning for the decision element by element.
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Even better, quote the relevant IFAB or USSF interpretations that support your view. You have claimed that you work hard at being a referee and a hard working referee should know these things.
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Carlos I used to do that, cite sources and stuff. Now I save all that for the Seattle Sounders forums, and just say stuff here. You got my number, you’ve beaten me into submission. I just don’t care enough to cite the sources here to argue with you about it.
You’re not looking for answers Carlos, you’re looking to fight me every step of the way. That’s great it’s a good quality to have, if you were on my referee team and you were challenging me to be better. You’re not though, you’re just some guy on the internet, just like me. So I’m gonna state my opinion here and not cite anything, not show my work, and you can say the reason is because I really don’t know what I’m talking about. You have that right I certainly can’t stop you, I just don’t care enough to argue with you while doing homework to prove it. I feel I have enough experience in this that I can make judgment calls just like I do on the field.
Also I said it was a 3rd party source I didn’t say I vouched for it or that I saw it happen myself.
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Are you seriously crying about the fine only being $100? First, Montero embelished the whole ordeal. So, the card and fine are a joke anyway. Second, the $100 fine to an MLS-er is relevant considering their salaries.
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Fredy needs to stop embellishing, but i don’t see where fredy play acted here. if you aren’t balanced, a bump can knock you off your feet. fredy stayed in a ball on the ground after it as there was a bum-rush by all the players – i’m sure he didn’t want to be kicked or hit further. i didn’t see fredy selling anything on this occassion. what i saw was Onstad sell a hit to his face when no one hit his face – ljungberg even called him out on this “you know better”, ljungberg said.
Onstad deserved a yellow (i won’t say red as that would be ref discretion… i don’t think i’d dictate the outcome of the game like that). BUT fredy deserved no yellow this time. i fully believe that fredy’s reputation earned him his yellow here.
what makes it so bad for me is that fredy got a yellow for doing nothing wrong this time, not that onstad wasn’t given a red. i do think the $100 fine is absurd though. why bother?
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abe, pat makes 181K this year.. $100 is .055% of his salary.
hardly anything that will make him think twice about his actions next time.
and for the 100th time. montero’s actions has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT ONSTAD DID. it could have been jaqua on the receiving end, or evans, or anyone…. and onstads actions were the same.
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Well, Dustin, I’m not surprised that you’re evading the questions and refusing to back up your opinions. It’s your consistent pattern, after all.
What are you afraid of, anyway? If your judgment is good, then your opinions should be supported by the Laws of the Game and the IFAB and USSF interpretations. If it’s not supported, then maybe your judgment isn’t what you think it is, and you’re therefore shortchanging the players on the field when you’re out there with a whistle.
As for looking for answers or not, I would take them if you ever offered them. In the past you’ve asked me direct questions and I’ve answered them directly, and yes, I have gone and looked things up to make sure I was correct in my thinking. Because that’s what an adult who takes responsibility for his opinions does. If the data shows I’m wrong, then I step up and admit it and try to learn more so I come to the correct answers the next time.
As you mentioned, we’re both just guys on the internet and therefore no one has any way of knowing what we say about ourselves is true. You claim to be a ref; who knows if you really are? You claim to have experience, but of course none of us can verify that. You say you know refs working games and have inside knowledge received from them and yet again, we have no way of knowing if that’s true or not. So if you’re unwilling to actually defend your opinions, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?
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Or I could just share my opinion as a referee and a student of the game, and let you take it or leave it as you will.
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I just want to say I love Kasey Keller too, and that Drogba vs Lehmann video made me giggle like a little girl.
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If you are a ref and student of the game, that is.
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Don’t remember all the goals but I remember being surprised and awed by jaquas volley across the goal…
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Or you’ll stop me?
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“Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.”
(Sorry, sorry, couldn’t resist. Love to you both.)
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Cute.
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Do I detect sarcasm from our Houston blogger?
(Better to come, Jeremy. Stay tuned.)
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He left out the bottle of Grecian Formula.
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I especially like the sampler on the wall!
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Wow. You seattle people are really worked up about this guy. You guys are just mad because the man you hate has his image plastered over 1/4 your stadium.
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Dale Dale Dynamo! Feel free to show my face.
I will try to wear it on Sunday. I just hope they dont try to search me thinking I am trying to sneak in an illegal noise-maker…
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I still think that’s funny, I’ve never been to Quest and I didn’t notice it on tv. That’s really is great though.
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I can’t be mad at using humor and Monty Python to elevate an argument Laurie.
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Rex, I think it’s that we’ve now reached the “Let’s have fun with it” stage. We’ll have even more fun after we beat you in Houston!
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Who is this “Dale” and why does he love the Dynablo?
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LOL. Houston has a goalkeeper whose name sounds like a question.
“Honey, did you Pat Onstad last night?”
(It’s code for something, I just know it.)
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